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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2016 7:49:02 GMT 7
Soutpeel has given most of the proven facts up to now.
Evidence of thermite.
The people who built the towers, claimed the way its structure was built was impossible to fall down like it did without 'something' weakening it's main supports.
Do you really believe a plane crasjing into it could make it fall like one of Fred Dibnah's chimneys?
What about the explosions on every 2 or 3 floors as it was falling.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2016 7:54:56 GMT 7
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andreas_von_B%C3%BClowAndreas von Bülow (born 17 July 1937 in Dresden) is a German SPDpolitician and writer. A former government minister, he has authored books about intelligence agencies. . He has written a book called The CIA and September 11 (German: Die CIA und der 11. September), in which he implies US government complicity in theSeptember 11, 2001 attacks. Planning the attacks was a master deed, in technical and organizational terms. To hijack four big airliners within a few minutes and fly them into targets within a single hour and doing so on complicated flight routes! That is unthinkable, without backing from the secret apparatuses of state and industry. Tagesspiegel, 13. Jan. 2002. 911justicehalifax.wordpress.com/wtc-building-7/Von Bülow referenced the command bunker in Building 7, calling it the “optimal place” to run the attacks using remote control technology to guide the planes in and then destroying the crime scene by imploding the building. “There were two procedures, one was flying in the aircraft the second was the explosions,” he said. When asked precisely which parties carried out the attack Von Bülow said it must have been a “very small group” within the CIA with the help of Saudi Arabian and Pakistani secret service intelligence.
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Post by cmk on Feb 15, 2016 8:37:50 GMT 7
Most people in the world think there is a person up in the sky who determines their fate on a minute to minute day by day basis. I hardly think writing, "most people" is meaningful.
For some reason I can't use the quote function today sorry my comment belongs with the above post where <Bunny boiler> confuses "most people" with facts or evidence.
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Post by cmk on Feb 15, 2016 8:45:44 GMT 7
Others find the theory plausible as well. According to its publisher, Bülow's book "Die CIA und der 11. September" ("The CIA and September 11") has sold 200,000 copies since it was first released in 2003. A new edition of the book, published in time for the 10-year anniversary of the attacks, includes an extensive afterword which casts doubt on the claim that Osama bin Laden was in fact shot in Pakistan by US Special Forces. The new edition fails, however, to mention that a number of the book's original claims have long since been refuted. One rather significant detail was the claim that seven of the 19 attackers were still "very much alive," a theory SPIEGEL disproved in 2003. His former colleagues no longer want anything to do with him. www.spiegel.de/international/germany/questioning-9-11-the-politician-turned-conspiracy-theorist-a-784673.htmlThe above refutes the Bulow stuff |
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Post by siampolee on Feb 15, 2016 12:07:21 GMT 7
We are told the truth by those in power and those truths are tailored to that which those power brokers decide they want us to hear and to believe. Why for instance are certain documents in the U.K on 100 and in some few cases on a 150 year rules ?
Are you aware that even now certain activities concerning the Enigma operation and the staff involved have around another 45 years to run before they may be released into the public domain and then also in a heavily redacted format.
No conspiracy? Well lets call it something else like a carefully crafted distortion of the real facts by innuendo and plain faced blatant lies.
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Post by cmk on Feb 15, 2016 13:11:03 GMT 7
We are told the truth by those in power and those truths are tailored to that which those power brokers decide they want us to hear and to believe. Why for instance are certain documents in the U.K on 100 and in some few cases on a 150 year rules ? Are you aware that even now certain activities concerning the Enigma operation and the staff involved have around another 45 years to run before they may be released into the public domain and then also in a heavily redacted format. No conspiracy? Well lets call it something else like a carefully crafted distortion of the real facts by innuendo and plain faced blatant lies. I worked for the government and served in the Army. They aren't smart enough or capable enough to pull off an operation of any complexity. I know Jeb Bush and Hillary Clinton. Do you have any idea how stupid they both are? Have you ever looked at the Gallipoli operation. I mean, I know the guy drank a lot but you have to be a dunce not to have realized that was a god awful mistake. WMD aw come on. Any fool could see through that nonsense. You can't tell me the same people who did those things are capable of anything more complicated than a bayonet charge into heavily fortified positions like our big Southern dummy Robert E Lee. Soldiers can't keep secrets. I signed a form in triplicate that I would not tell anyone about something. Do you know how many people I've told? Thousands of bar girls and anyone else who would have been impressed by that sort of stuff. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2016 13:36:19 GMT 7
Gesù Cristo Signore CMK, how the hell did you manage to turn this thread around to include your personal grudge with Sir Winston? You do realise that Winston actually did other things besides planing the Gallipoli farce, don't you?  |
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Post by cmk on Feb 15, 2016 13:52:18 GMT 7
Gesù Cristo Signore CMK, how the hell did you manage to turn this thread around to include your personal grudge with Sir Winston? You do realise that Winston actually did other things besides planing the Gallipoli farce, don't you? To be fair I also slammed Bush, Clinton and Robert E. Lee and only one Brit. Churchill was also responsible for partitioning Africa along geographic boundaries as opposed to tribal ones causing millions of deaths. But I don't have a grudge against the guy they were just colonial subjects after all weren't they. And I didn't mention Robert Strange McNamera who I feel should have been shot on sight as the dummy of dummies but my point is no one in government is bright enough to pull off even a minor conspiracy like getting a hummer in the oval office without getting caught. |
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Post by Soutpeel on Feb 15, 2016 14:30:52 GMT 7
The scrap metal thing has always intrigued me, given the answer as to how those towers actually came down is in that scrap, as far as i have read, there was never any comprehensive metallurgical analysis ever done, as if there had been, it would have proved one way or the other how the failure occured, if heating from aviation fuel/ fires, and subsequent " pancake" as the official report goes, this would have been evident in the steel, ie a progressive ductile failure, if on the other hand explosives/ thermite charges had been used, this also could have been determined with a great degree of certainty But what happened ? Instead of collecting approriate samples to test, it was all shipped to china...curious to say the least To me the PA flight was shot down by a US missile and vapourised for the most part Exposing more your prejudice rather than facts. Literally millions of terrorists and other USA detractors would love to prove that but have had no success. Maybe donate some money to an anti US cause and they'll have more equipment and manpower to investigate. oh dear some of my facts have also been put forward by numerous US citizens as well, and some organisations such as Architects and Engineers for 9/11 and pilots for 9/11, the vast majority are US citizens, so your suggesting all these people numbering in the thousands are anti-American as well ?....Your Neo-con bias is bright and clear Seems to me you are unable to separate "US government" actions from the American people or America as a country...but your childish rebuttal is par for the course... I will gladly debate you on any aspect of the "engineering" facts, and specifically the metallurgy or lack of in this case... Regards my comments pertaining to shooting down the PA flight, in the events that unfolded that day, I would be surprised if the military didn't shoot down that flight, as if these events had unfolded in any country in the world, its a step that would be expected and in fact sad to say necessary considering what was going on You seem to have a very simplest view of life....very similar to your poster boy "Bush" in his remark "if you not with us, your against us" rhetoric... |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2016 14:36:47 GMT 7
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Post by Soutpeel on Feb 15, 2016 14:37:07 GMT 7
Gesù Cristo Signore CMK, how the hell did you manage to turn this thread around to include your personal grudge with Sir Winston? You do realise that Winston actually did other things besides planing the Gallipoli farce, don't you? To be fair I also slammed Bush, Clinton and Robert E. Lee and only one Brit. Churchill was also responsible for partitioning Africa along geographic boundaries as opposed to tribal ones causing millions of deaths. But I don't have a grudge against the guy they were just colonial subjects after all weren't they. And I didn't mention Robert Strange McNamera who I feel should have been shot on sight as the dummy of dummies but my point is no one in government is bright enough to pull off even a minor conspiracy like getting a hummer in the oval office without getting caught. Er you claim to be a student of history...back to the books...you failed...Africa was partitioned along geographic/colonial boundaries way before Churchill was even born.... Churchill as a young army officer saw service in British India, the Sudan, and the Second Boer War....ergo the partitioning of Africa has occurred long before and the British Empire was in full swing... this is high school history...stop talking poop |
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Post by siampolee on Feb 15, 2016 14:47:46 GMT 7
Well I can only infer from that comment posted above by your good self that you made elsewhere on this board in another thread you are indeed an ace conspiracy expert as you openly admit to falsifying information (names etc ) in order to challenge others regarding the truth of statements made by them and one can also presume you under your different names. Indeed your efforts are worthy of rivaling those of Reilly the Ace of Spies in his many guises and conspiracy games in order to distort the truth. Careful though because he it is presumed came to a sticky end!!  |
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Post by cmk on Feb 15, 2016 15:03:45 GMT 7
To be fair I also slammed Bush, Clinton and Robert E. Lee and only one Brit. Churchill was also responsible for partitioning Africa along geographic boundaries as opposed to tribal ones causing millions of deaths. But I don't have a grudge against the guy they were just colonial subjects after all weren't they. And I didn't mention Robert Strange McNamera who I feel should have been shot on sight as the dummy of dummies but my point is no one in government is bright enough to pull off even a minor conspiracy like getting a hummer in the oval office without getting caught. Er you claim to be a student of history...back to the books...you failed...Africa was partitioned along geographic/colonial boundaries way before Churchill was even born.... Churchill as a young army officer saw service in British India, the Sudan, and the Second Boer War....ergo the partitioning of Africa has occurred long before and the British Empire was in full swing... this is high school history...stop talking poop Churchill's Disaster in Kenya. Churchill, a major new assessment of his life in peace and war. Robert Blake and William Rogers. And. Take a look at the Winston's hiccup. There were a number of conferences where he really did a lot of damage. The Cairo conference was one and a couple of others that I'll try to find later. To be fair about this you only disagree with 25% of my post and apparently agree with 75% of it because it is in an American bashing vein. So if we agree on 3/4th I'd say we had little to argue about. My point remains (I know it's fun to call me names and stuff) but government on either side of the Atlantic is not bright enough to plan a major conspiracy. They can't think ahead that far. |
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Post by cmk on Feb 15, 2016 15:06:26 GMT 7
Well I can only infer from that comment posted above by your good self that you made elsewhere on this board in another thread you are indeed an ace conspiracy expert as you openly admit to falsifying information (names etc ) in order to challenge others regarding the truth of statements made by them and one can also presume you under your different names. Indeed your efforts are worthy of rivaling those of Reilly the Ace of Spies in his many guises and conspiracy games in order to distort the truth. Careful though because he it is presumed came to a sticky end!! Try attacking my argument instead of my veracity. Ad Homiduck posts are fun but hardly good debate. It's daylight. NO, it's not because you said it's daylight and your words are suspect because your name is John. Don't we all have multiple posting accounts on the Duck forum out of necessity (getting banned) kind of like fighting with the Duckstapo? The Blether and ........... |
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Post by cmk on Feb 15, 2016 15:29:16 GMT 7
Exposing more your prejudice rather than facts. Literally millions of terrorists and other USA detractors would love to prove that but have had no success. Maybe donate some money to an anti US cause and they'll have more equipment and manpower to investigate. oh dear some of my facts have also been put forward by numerous US citizens as well, and some organisations such as Architects and Engineers for 9/11 and pilots for 9/11, the vast majority are US citizens, so your suggesting all these people numbering in the thousands are anti-American as well ?....Your Neo-con bias is bright and clear Seems to me you are unable to separate "US government" actions from the American people or America as a country...but your childish rebuttal is par for the course... I will gladly debate you on any aspect of the "engineering" facts, and specifically the metallurgy or lack of in this case... Regards my comments pertaining to shooting down the PA flight, in the events that unfolded that day, I would be surprised if the military didn't shoot down that flight, as if these events had unfolded in any country in the world, its a step that would be expected and in fact sad to say necessary considering what was going on You seem to have a very simplest view of life....very similar to your poster boy "Bush" in his remark "if you not with us, your against us" rhetoric... My point is simple. Governments can't keep secrets and they are not smart enough to plan complex conspiracies. Nothing to do with motives. They may want to be as totalitarian as the British Empire in it's heyday but informaiton is too accessible now and too easy to disseminate. How many pages of confidential information are in Wikileaks? |
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