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Post by buhi on Jun 26, 2016 14:35:02 GMT 7
Am I alone in having rose tinted memories?
Should I try to impose my nostalgia on the younger generation? I remember well being a rebel against the old codgers. My heroees are now old codgers or dead. Should the dead have a vote?
The demographics tell a story.
Old equals a false sense of reality, a change back, conservatism of the worst ilk.
Still fighting the second world war?
I remember the comics, I was a fighter ace in a spitfire, running to school gunning down imaginary huns.
Some never grow up, just slowly senile.
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Post by bowie on Jun 26, 2016 15:10:57 GMT 7
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Post by buhi on Jun 26, 2016 15:22:45 GMT 7
Why do the largest conurbations not fear the foreign hordes?
Why, indeed. Because they live together?
Morning futsil for son in Prawet, muslim school grounds and the hordes. Are they feared in Bangkok? Same reason I suspect; we live together and fear not.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2016 15:30:04 GMT 7
Good OP, Buhi -
Living in the past is the refuge of the dreamer, the fantasist, the defeated.
Different from remembering the past - a perfectly normal and ( hopefully ) enjoyable experience.
It's great to reminisce - great to share stories with families and friends. It's a healthy part of the human condition.
Living in the past isn't -
It's unhealthy -
Obsessing over slights, gibbering about sitting on kerbs drinking lemonade while your parents got sloshed in the pub, re-fighting fights that you lost, moping about first loves lost, growling about multiple marriages and relationships going down the pan, snarling at being overlooked for promotion, hatred for those that chose a different path and did well - the list goes on.
I don't know anyone that lives in the past that is happy in the present.
Not a single person.
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Post by buhi on Jun 26, 2016 16:08:56 GMT 7
Why does my son belong to said futsal club? We live in Prawet. His previous school was near the club and the teacher who runs it was his previous PE teacher. The club is open to all, many Burmese workers hire the pitches for a weekend game. The previous school is roman catholic. Most pupils there were ostensibly buddhist, many were from the local muslim community, non I am aware of from a roman catholic background. Race hatred is not on the curriculum, there or at his present roman catholic school, where some of his friends , some ostensibly muslim, also gained admission. His is the future, not mine and I teach tolerance not bigotry. I believe in limited democracy, where an elected representative should be able to distinguish fact from fiction and listen to opinion and make decisions based on reason not emotion.
I see China as the next dominant world power and it is not a democracy. Little england should prepare for war with China, now it has at last decided it has won the second world war.
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Post by buhi on Jun 26, 2016 16:22:42 GMT 7
My ex anglo scottish wife and our anglo scottish sons share the same views as I. The sons, now mature adults are aghast at the referendum results. As are all my old friends, old being very factual, but they had the benefit of a liberal university education. Liberal, true meaning.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2016 16:52:43 GMT 7
My ex anglo scottish wife and our anglo scottish sons share the same views as I. The sons, now mature adults are aghast at the referendum results. As are all my old friends, old being very factual, but they had the benefit of a liberal university education. Liberal, true meaning. A lot of Brexit voters are now aghast at the result. The Telegraph poll sat continuously at 72% support for Brexit - today is sitting at 69% support for a rerun. A campaign ran on preventing unfettered immigration into the UK, and the £350 million lie - as soon as the campaign was won - "The £350 mill figure is wrong, a mistake," Nigel Farage. "We can't prevent the free movement of Labour from the EU," Dan Hannan. ........................ What was the point of this referendum? To embarrass our nation?
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Post by rubl on Jun 26, 2016 17:31:40 GMT 7
My ex anglo scottish wife and our anglo scottish sons share the same views as I. The sons, now mature adults are aghast at the referendum results. As are all my old friends, old being very factual, but they had the benefit of a liberal university education. Liberal, true meaning. A lot of Brexit voters are now aghast at the result. The Telegraph poll sat continuously at 72% support for Brexit - today is sitting at 69% support for a rerun. A campaign ran on preventing unfettered immigration into the UK, and the £350 million lie - as soon as the campaign was won - "The £350 mill figure is wrong, a mistake," Nigel Farage. "We can't prevent the free movement of Labour from the EU," Dan Hannan. ........................ What was the point of this referendum? To embarrass our nation? Was it the Brits or only the English who always liked to tell jokes at their own expense ?
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Post by rubl on Jun 26, 2016 17:36:12 GMT 7
'rose tinted history'. Well, we're all humans after all. It's difficult to remember history objectively without inserting ones own feelings, or experiences about said history. I'm sure my views are tinted, maybe not rosy, but tinted and I even think I'd be a lesser human if that wasn't the case. Still one should try to identify those 'tinted' parts and be able to separate facts from feelings and remember both.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2016 17:41:09 GMT 7
A lot of Brexit voters are now aghast at the result. The Telegraph poll sat continuously at 72% support for Brexit - today is sitting at 69% support for a rerun. A campaign ran on preventing unfettered immigration into the UK, and the £350 million lie - as soon as the campaign was won - "The £350 mill figure is wrong, a mistake," Nigel Farage. "We can't prevent the free movement of Labour from the EU," Dan Hannan. ........................ What was the point of this referendum? To embarrass our nation? Was it the Brits or only the English who always liked to tell jokes at their own expense ? Harry Lauder told a joke about Aberdonians being tight with money - which mutated into all Scots being tight with money. Stoopid bastid.
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Post by buhi on Jun 26, 2016 17:45:21 GMT 7
It is not often that Bleth and I are on the same page, Rubl, most of the time, hence no jibes back to Ruby.
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Post by rubl on Jun 26, 2016 17:51:55 GMT 7
Was it the Brits or only the English who always liked to tell jokes at their own expense ? Harry Lauder told a joke about Aberdonians being tight with money - which mutated into all Scots being tight with money. Stoopid bastid. It was a fellow from Edinburgh who told me that it was a Dutchman and a Scottish chap who invented copper wire, fighting over a penny
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Post by buhi on Jun 26, 2016 17:53:27 GMT 7
My memories are selective, as Bleth knows. All of us are a composite of our pasts and selectively use that knowledge.I am now. But there is a deeper self that perhaps knows why the selection. I prefer to see a truer picture based on experience. All experience is unique and as such subjective. My gut feeling is the young have been deprived of a more liberal future by old have it alls and disgruntled fools.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2016 18:10:56 GMT 7
My memories are selective, as Bleth knows. All of us are a composite of our pasts and selectively use that knowledge.I am now. But there is a deeper self that perhaps knows why the selection. I prefer to see a truer picture based on experience. All experience is unique and as such subjective. My gut feeling is the young have been deprived of a more liberal future by old have it alls and disgruntled fools. My hope is that the young can undo the damage - and there are many in my age group ( 50 ) prepared to do anything we can to help. I find it astonishing that people who have the benefit of international travel, freedom of movement, and the benefits of modern capitalism would vote for parochialism. Any time I now see an Englishman refer to the Thais as xenophobes, I'll just have to laugh. A contemptuous, grating laugh. And some Englishmen will get it - others will never do so. They'll never understand the hypocrisy of living in a foreign country while demanding that foreigners be prevented from living in their country. Hail the morons, they have conquered that green and pleasant land. ............................................................................................................................. As a Scot, and I mean this - I have long known the English by one four letter word - and that word is - FAIR. The entirety of English law and society was built on the pursuit of fairness. I give the English more credit for that wonderful attribute than the Scots because their struggle for fairness under the law easily predates the Scottish struggle. From well before the Magna Carta, the English struggled for fairness and equality. Village life was based upon the needs of the villagers, not the greed of villagers. Tithes of land would be allocated based upon family size, age etc. And you would be handed the land with the instruction - "don't step over the line." Don't step over the line..... don't steal the bread from your neighbours table, don't destroy the village ethic of fairness. The English nation stepped over the line last week - they stole the bread from their children's tables, they destroyed a thousand years of ethics in one day. No wonder the world is aghast. It really is that serious, that appalling, a national calamity. And way too may of them can't see it.
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Post by buhi on Jun 26, 2016 18:19:32 GMT 7
^^^ Yes , that is why I am hurt, not my financial loss, but those values, the values I have extolled. Be fair to the Scots, Hume, Locke and Owen (Lanarkshire (Welsh)).The humanist values ,not religious and certainly no nationalist.
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