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Post by rubl on Dec 2, 2015 20:16:12 GMT 7
Much better article. I don't know it exists as the last time I was in Hong Kong was with Bill Holden and we met a chick named Suzy. All the maids I know in Thailand and the States are treated like family so I have no experience with the ladies in the story. It would seem that Thai like to have Burmese maids as they don't speak the language, are cheap and with some abuse don't run away (for fear of the police). In the NorthWest the Karen maids, NorthEast the Cambodian and mostly NOT part of the family. same in Bangkok with Thai middle class liking the 'cheap' labour even if they're not Thai. |
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Post by cmk on Dec 2, 2015 21:38:57 GMT 7
Much better article. I don't know it exists as the last time I was in Hong Kong was with Bill Holden and we met a chick named Suzy. All the maids I know in Thailand and the States are treated like family so I have no experience with the ladies in the story. It would seem that Thai like to have Burmese maids as they don't speak the language, are cheap and with some abuse don't run away (for fear of the police). In the NorthWest the Karen maids, NorthEast the Cambodian and mostly NOT part of the family. same in Bangkok with Thai middle class liking the 'cheap' labour even if they're not Thai. Aren't the Karen the ones who never shower? Might explain a lot. I was talking about maids from the Philippines working in Thailand and the USA. |
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Post by rubl on Dec 2, 2015 21:54:50 GMT 7
It would seem that Thai like to have Burmese maids as they don't speak the language, are cheap and with some abuse don't run away (for fear of the police). In the NorthWest the Karen maids, NorthEast the Cambodian and mostly NOT part of the family. same in Bangkok with Thai middle class liking the 'cheap' labour even if they're not Thai. Aren't the Karen the ones who never shower? Might explain a lot. I was talking about maids from the Philippines working in Thailand and the USA. Well actually with "All the maids I know in Thailand and the States are treated like family so I have no experience with the ladies in the story." you look to be putting your head in the sand to avoid hearing about abuse. Your 'talking about maids from the Philippines in thailand/USA doesn't really impress even if you personally 'know' about a good dozen. I think the 'aren't the Karen the ones who never shower' is really abusing, as if you try to explain away 'possible lesser conduct' against maids as something like "it's their own fault anyway". My interpretation of your somewhat thoughtless remarks at least. |
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Post by rubl on Dec 2, 2015 21:56:42 GMT 7
"It is estimated that up to 90 percent of the more than 250,000 domestic workers in Thailand are from Myanmar, Laos and Cambodia, and experts say they are extremely vulnerable because they work in homes, hidden from public view, and have limited opportunity to reach out for help." www.trust.org/item/20140807080540-2vin9/?source=spotlight |
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Post by cmk on Dec 2, 2015 22:26:30 GMT 7
Aren't the Karen the ones who never shower? Might explain a lot. I was talking about maids from the Philippines working in Thailand and the USA. Well actually with "All the maids I know in Thailand and the States are treated like family so I have no experience with the ladies in the story." you look to be putting your head in the sand to avoid hearing about abuse. Your 'talking about maids from the Philippines in thailand/USA doesn't really impress even if you personally 'know' about a good dozen. I think the 'aren't the Karen the ones who never shower' is really abusing, as if you try to explain away 'possible lesser conduct' against maids as something like "it's their own fault anyway". My interpretation of your somewhat thoughtless remarks at least. The only Burmese maids that I know work at high class hotels in Pattaya. I know a lot of Philippine domestic workers because I'm friends with a couple of large groups of Philippine people in Thailand. My reference to the shower thing, upon research is the Akha people I think. You can look it up I think they still kill twins too. Not a very good mix for domestic workers. The story this thread was based on was Philippine maids so I'm trying to stay on that topic. I've probably met a couple of hundred of people from the Philippines in Thailand and no one has ever mentioned abuse to me. It is my personal experience and I would not generalize to others or refer to nameless and unspoken or one spoken experts. PS I don't like NGO's or recruiting Christians or any of those types of people if you want to know where I'm coming from. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2015 9:56:27 GMT 7
Our 'maid' or 'helper' Lola, and she hates those titles, is a part of our family, seen as an older aunt and has been with us for well on fourteen years. She would be horrified at someone saying she's a slave. In HK you will notice that most of the abuse comes from the snotty Chinese families not from expats. There was a case of an Indonesian helper being beaten and mistreated by a HK family. There are shelters for these abused women but many as someone pointed out want to keep the job and keep quiet over it.
Envy is also rife amongst the helper culture here, how they are treated by employees. Some expats are also very pretentious and stingy when it comes to salary and small perks, to us Lola is the cog in our family so to speak, it's all about balance with both parents working, HK family is there also and a network of friends. I value her a a good friend as well as an employee, she's brilliant and that comes not with throwing money at her but the family unit we have, she thinks of the boys as her own sons too.
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Post by cmk on Dec 3, 2015 11:20:27 GMT 7
Our 'maid' or 'helper' Lola, and she hates those titles, is a part of our family, seen as an older aunt and has been with us for well on fourteen years. She would be horrified at someone saying she's a slave. In HK you will notice that most of the abuse comes from the snotty Chinese families not from expats. There was a case of an Indonesian helper being beaten and mistreated by a HK family. There are shelters for these abused women but many as someone pointed out want to keep the job and keep quiet over it. Envy is also rife amongst the helper culture here, how they are treated by employees. Some expats are also very pretentious and stingy when it comes to salary and small perks, to us Lola is the cog in our family so to speak, it's all about balance with both parents working, HK family is there also and a network of friends. I value her a a good friend as well as an employee, she's brilliant and that comes not with throwing money at her but the family unit we have, she thinks of the boys as her own sons too. I agree with you. I always felt, growing up that our maid cared for me as much as a mother. She was also a wet nurse when I was an infant. |
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Post by rubl on Dec 3, 2015 18:48:33 GMT 7
Well actually with "All the maids I know in Thailand and the States are treated like family so I have no experience with the ladies in the story." you look to be putting your head in the sand to avoid hearing about abuse. Your 'talking about maids from the Philippines in thailand/USA doesn't really impress even if you personally 'know' about a good dozen. I think the 'aren't the Karen the ones who never shower' is really abusing, as if you try to explain away 'possible lesser conduct' against maids as something like "it's their own fault anyway". My interpretation of your somewhat thoughtless remarks at least. The only Burmese maids that I know work at high class hotels in Pattaya. I know a lot of Philippine domestic workers because I'm friends with a couple of large groups of Philippine people in Thailand. My reference to the shower thing, upon research is the Akha people I think. You can look it up I think they still kill twins too. Not a very good mix for domestic workers. The story this thread was based on was Philippine maids so I'm trying to stay on that topic. I've probably met a couple of hundred of people from the Philippines in Thailand and no one has ever mentioned abuse to me. It is my personal experience and I would not generalize to others or refer to nameless and unspoken or one spoken experts. PS I don't like NGO's or recruiting Christians or any of those types of people if you want to know where I'm coming from. Philippine domestic workers in Thailand require a workpermit I would assume. As such their employers have to pay some 'real' money to get their maid. The maid would probably also have a somewhat higher education than the local variety, English being part of the attraction for foreign expats hiring a Philippine in Thailand or even having one 'sent over'. BTW just curious, how many is 'a lot' and how does that compare to the total number of Philippine maids and/or other professions? While you say the topic is on Philippine maids you still go with your negative waves on other nationalities and groups. PS like or not like doesn't have anything to do with the truth, maybe only with the willingness to accept it. PPS a very recent study www.ari.nus.edu.sg/wps/wps15_240.pdfPPPS the latest figures I found (from 2010) show 75 Philippine persons registered as working in Thailand (47m, 28f). Of course the figures of the Philippine Ministry of Labor and Employment may be a wee bit off. For HK in 2010 they list 528 male and 28,237 female workers, almost all of them falling under "domestic helpers and related household workers" www.poea.gov.ph/stats/statistics.html |
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Post by rubl on Dec 3, 2015 19:01:02 GMT 7
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Post by cmk on Dec 3, 2015 21:10:52 GMT 7
The only Burmese maids that I know work at high class hotels in Pattaya. I know a lot of Philippine domestic workers because I'm friends with a couple of large groups of Philippine people in Thailand. My reference to the shower thing, upon research is the Akha people I think. You can look it up I think they still kill twins too. Not a very good mix for domestic workers. The story this thread was based on was Philippine maids so I'm trying to stay on that topic. I've probably met a couple of hundred of people from the Philippines in Thailand and no one has ever mentioned abuse to me. It is my personal experience and I would not generalize to others or refer to nameless and unspoken or one spoken experts. PS I don't like NGO's or recruiting Christians or any of those types of people if you want to know where I'm coming from. Philippine domestic workers in Thailand require a workpermit I would assume. As such their employers have to pay some 'real' money to get their maid. The maid would probably also have a somewhat higher education than the local variety, English being part of the attraction for foreign expats hiring a Philippine in Thailand or even having one 'sent over'. BTW just curious, how many is 'a lot' and how does that compare to the total number of Philippine maids and/or other professions? While you say the topic is on Philippine maids you still go with your negative waves on other nationalities and groups. PS like or not like doesn't have anything to do with the truth, maybe only with the willingness to accept it. PPS a very recent study www.ari.nus.edu.sg/wps/wps15_240.pdfPPPS the latest figures I found (from 2010) show 75 Philippine persons registered as working in Thailand (47m, 28f). Of course the figures of the Philippine Ministry of Labor and Employment may be a wee bit off. For HK in 2010 they list 528 male and 28,237 female workers, almost all of them falling under "domestic helpers and related household workers" www.poea.gov.ph/stats/statistics.htmlThe Philippine community in Thailand is tight knit and held together by family and religion. All the Philippine people I know have degrees including the maids. They function as nanny's and tutors and other professions such as engineers and IT. If any of the ladies was abused the whole community would help in a minute as would I. What are you trying to say? Your studies point out no abuse to Philippine people in Thailand. I read until the lady said marriage was not an option for Philippine people in Thailand for a visa. (I think that's what I read) and she of course is in error so her veracity so lowered I stopped reading. I think you are trying imply that abuse of Philippine people in Thailand is commonplace and that would be a lie. In the future if you want to link long studies you might want to explain why your are linking them as opposed to just trying to flood your post with useless information. You have presented no information which supports your fantasy view that Philippine people are abused in Thailand. PS you brought up the hill tribe people. It is an interesting subject. They are on the wrong side of history. Kind of like American Indians who fought with the French and then the British and always got the short end of the stick till oil and then later casinos were discovered. I helped as many hill tribe people as I could with jobs when I lived in the States. |
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Post by rgs2001uk on Dec 3, 2015 21:38:41 GMT 7
Ask any of the teacher fraternity what they think of these so called uni educated Pinoy teachers. Why is Pattaya full of Pinoy scam artists. Just last week I had one present me with some Catholic looking picture, "its for the children" she said. I dont have children was my reply. Started talking to her in Thai (she was lost) I can speak English she said, yes I know, that accent gave her away. Where is this foundation based, can you give me a receipt for tax purposes, complete waste of time. Go and view another forum, these are the same people who think they are worth 20k baht per month, but they cant speak or read a word of Thai. Up my way the Burmese are the way to go, and yes they do shower every day, yes they speak Thai and English, yes they are happy to work for 8k per month, yes they are honest and reliable. No on a Sunday they aint hanging out with their mates (Hong Kong or Singapore style looking for a farang). Go and read another forum, why would anyone bring coals to Newcastle is beyond me, but guys want to import their Pinoy girlfriend, so they go the maid route. |
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Post by cmk on Dec 3, 2015 22:29:11 GMT 7
I guess I qualify as part of the teacher fraternity having taught with Philippine teachers at government schools in Thailand for 3 years. Two of the best teachers I have ever met are from the Philippines (momma European and pop Philippine).
One of them opened his own school and is doing quite well now on his own. Well you did ask didn't you? I know a lot of women from the Philippines and have had a number of offers. But, I agree with you on that one why bring coals to Newcastle. The advisability of having a GF or wife from the Philippines in Thailand is beyond me. All the people I know that have Philippine maids don't speak English.
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Post by rgs2001uk on Dec 3, 2015 22:38:11 GMT 7
^^^^, no problemo, we all have differing experiences and outlooks depending on where we are in LOS.
Check out the Pinoy border runner teachers, but thats a story for another thread.
Gov't school, no offence sums it up, please feel free to post up any links of any Pinoy being in an International school such as Regents.
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Post by cmk on Dec 3, 2015 22:54:16 GMT 7
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Post by rgs2001uk on Dec 3, 2015 23:00:21 GMT 7
Ah yes, an International school, and an international school, same same but different.
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