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Post by cmk on Feb 19, 2016 15:01:45 GMT 7
Queen Victoria asked Rhodes if he was gay. Don't be ridiculous. She most certainly wouldn't have used the word "gay". And anyway, what she asked him was whether he hated women (was a misogynist), rather than asking if he was a sodomite. Good point. "Rhodes employed a number of robust young male companions, ostensibly as bodyguards and secretaries. He did not have relationships with any member of the opposite sex, platonic or otherwise. Neville Pickering, the first secretary of the De Beers company, has been singled out as Rhodes's first significant male lover." "Upon his death he was one of the wealthiest men in the world, and his will established the Rhodes Scholarship, the world’s first international study scholarship, enabling male students to study at Oxford University. Rhodes's aims were to promote leadership marked by public spirit and good character, and to "render war impossible" by promoting friendship between the great powers. According to Rhodes’s will, applicants were restricted to men only" gayinfluence.blogspot.co.uk/2015/12/cecil-rhodes.htmlI guess we looking at history have the same question as Victoria. Is he gay or does he really hate women? Since he told her he did not hate women.......
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2016 15:02:49 GMT 7
Queen Victoria asked Rhodes if he was gay. I don't see why I can't?Are you for real? You think that what happened in Victorian times is still acceptable in today's modern society. Hey why don't we round up the waifs and horse whip them, we should also revoke suffrage as well. And apart from being British, what did Monty do to you? It would appear that you will use any means and stoop as low as possible to try to win an argument. It must really seem strange to know that we are all out of step and that you are the only person on this forum who is in step. Queen Victoria seems to me the height of propriety in any age. If such an icon of propriety can ask why not I. There have been books written on the topic even the BBC - BBC unveils a Victorian hero - a money-mad, racist, closet gay. If the BBC can talk about it I'm hardly out of step. Perhaps it is you who is out of step? Cecil was a British Imperialist who thought the United States would eventually rejoin Britain I guess we can write that idea off. Mark Twain (famous American) admired Rhodes though he said, "I admire him, I frankly confess it; and when his time comes I shall buy a piece of the rope for a keepsake." You are a complete numpty, I would get more sense arguing with a wall.
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Post by cmk on Feb 19, 2016 15:24:42 GMT 7
Queen Victoria seems to me the height of propriety in any age. If such an icon of propriety can ask why not I. There have been books written on the topic even the BBC - BBC unveils a Victorian hero - a money-mad, racist, closet gay. If the BBC can talk about it I'm hardly out of step. Perhaps it is you who is out of step? Cecil was a British Imperialist who thought the United States would eventually rejoin Britain I guess we can write that idea off. Mark Twain (famous American) admired Rhodes though he said, "I admire him, I frankly confess it; and when his time comes I shall buy a piece of the rope for a keepsake." You are a complete numpty, I would get more sense arguing with a wall. You do make my point. Criticizing/mocking me is not a valid method of discussion. If you were omnipotent calling me a numpty would have some validity. Since you are not it only makes you seem childish in your discourse. Do you get what I'm saying because I've said it over and over in this thread. If it is daylight because it is - not because you don't like person who says it is. Siampolee brought up Rhodes as an authority about the British race. I said he is a scoundrel. BBC and many books also question his sexuality. The Queen asked him if he hated women? (I think that was a reference to his sexuality you don't) . "When Cecil Rhodes was asked by Queen Victoria whether it was true that he hated women, he gallantly answered that he could hardly hate the sex to which she herself belonged. Rhodes, another man whom television documentaries and revisionist biographies like to portray as homosexual,.." www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/4260024/The-third-sex-that-sustained-the-Empire.htmlSo It's OK if the Telegraph says that but if I do then I'm a numpty? Aw come on.
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Post by AyG on Feb 19, 2016 16:11:07 GMT 7
Don't be ridiculous. She most certainly wouldn't have used the word "gay". And anyway, what she asked him was whether he hated women (was a misogynist), rather than asking if he was a sodomite. Good point. "Rhodes employed a number of robust young male companions, ostensibly as bodyguards and secretaries. He did not have relationships with any member of the opposite sex, platonic or otherwise. Neville Pickering, the first secretary of the De Beers company, has been singled out as Rhodes's first significant male lover." "Upon his death he was one of the wealthiest men in the world, and his will established the Rhodes Scholarship, the world’s first international study scholarship, enabling male students to study at Oxford University. Rhodes's aims were to promote leadership marked by public spirit and good character, and to "render war impossible" by promoting friendship between the great powers. According to Rhodes’s will, applicants were restricted to men only" gayinfluence.blogspot.co.uk/2015/12/cecil-rhodes.htmlI guess we looking at history have the same question as Victoria. Is he gay or does he really hate women? Since he told her he did not hate women....... A blog called "Gay Influence" is hardly an impartial or reliable source. And there is absolutely no evidence whatsoever that he ever had a "male lover". And of course the Rhodes Scholars applicants were limited to men only. In those days women weren't allowed to get degrees from the UK's top universities. It wasn't until 1948 that women could obtain degrees at Cambridge. I believe Oxford was a bit earlier, 1920. (Rhodes died in 1902.)
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Post by cmk on Feb 19, 2016 16:38:39 GMT 7
Good point. "Rhodes employed a number of robust young male companions, ostensibly as bodyguards and secretaries. He did not have relationships with any member of the opposite sex, platonic or otherwise. Neville Pickering, the first secretary of the De Beers company, has been singled out as Rhodes's first significant male lover." "Upon his death he was one of the wealthiest men in the world, and his will established the Rhodes Scholarship, the world’s first international study scholarship, enabling male students to study at Oxford University. Rhodes's aims were to promote leadership marked by public spirit and good character, and to "render war impossible" by promoting friendship between the great powers. According to Rhodes’s will, applicants were restricted to men only" gayinfluence.blogspot.co.uk/2015/12/cecil-rhodes.htmlI guess we looking at history have the same question as Victoria. Is he gay or does he really hate women? Since he told her he did not hate women....... A blog called "Gay Influence" is hardly an impartial or reliable source. And there is absolutely no evidence whatsoever that he ever had a "male lover". And of course the Rhodes Scholars applicants were limited to men only. In those days women weren't allowed to get degrees from the UK's top universities. It wasn't until 1948 that women could obtain degrees at Cambridge. I believe Oxford was a bit earlier, 1920. (Rhodes died in 1902.) OK don't like that source? How about BBC - BBC unveils a Victorian hero - a money-mad, racist, closet gay. Slate www.slate.com/articles/arts/television/1998/01/rhodes_to_hell.html Rhodes was probably not a "practicing" homosexual. Historians disagree as to whether he was or wasn't. Chicago Trib; Rhodes also had a secret lust, one he probably hid from himself, according to Shaw. "The evidence is overwhelming that Rhodes was homosexual. articles.chicagotribune.com/1998-01-03/news/9801030043_1_south-africa-southern-africa-rhodesiaNow aren't you glad you asked? I didn't know that about British Universities. In America Harvard/Radcliff for women started in t he 1890's. I just assumed they were behind Oxford and Cambridge - British education and the whole outlook of the country being more progressive and so on.....
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Post by Soutpeel on Feb 19, 2016 17:33:20 GMT 7
Oh, yes - she instructed you to go out and rape/murder the aboriginal population. This is pathetic. These were the actions of savage men at a different time. In America we hold the present population accountable for the sins of the fathers and as a result gave the Indians their land back in many cases. Seminole HardRock Casino All the Indians land back or just some, "carefully selected " lands ? Seems to me that with regards the native Americans, the US engaged in and still engages in a policy of setting up " Bantustans" In fact one could suggest the National Party in SA got their idea of Bantustans under apartheid from the US goverment
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Post by Soutpeel on Feb 19, 2016 17:38:57 GMT 7
A blog called "Gay Influence" is hardly an impartial or reliable source. And there is absolutely no evidence whatsoever that he ever had a "male lover". And of course the Rhodes Scholars applicants were limited to men only. In those days women weren't allowed to get degrees from the UK's top universities. It wasn't until 1948 that women could obtain degrees at Cambridge. I believe Oxford was a bit earlier, 1920. (Rhodes died in 1902.) OK don't like that source? How about BBC - BBC unveils a Victorian hero - a money-mad, racist, closet gay. Slate www.slate.com/articles/arts/television/1998/01/rhodes_to_hell.html Rhodes was probably not a "practicing" homosexual. Historians disagree as to whether he was or wasn't. Chicago Trib; Rhodes also had a secret lust, one he probably hid from himself, according to Shaw. "The evidence is overwhelming that Rhodes was homosexual. articles.chicagotribune.com/1998-01-03/news/9801030043_1_south-africa-southern-africa-rhodesiaNow aren't you glad you asked? I didn't know that about British Universities. In America Harvard/Radcliff for women started in t he 1890's. I just assumed they were behind Oxford and Cambridge - British education and the whole outlook of the country being more progressive and so on..... And lets say he was ? The point your trying to make is ? Does it change anything he did ?.....no....just your typical, vile anti British rhetoric
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Post by me on Feb 19, 2016 18:55:36 GMT 7
Yes it is of little concern to anyone whether he was gay or not. What does matter is that he used the resources he had aquired by whatever means after his death to attemp to make a difference in the lives of people of ability who may not otherwise had the opportunity. Some may object to the selection.....Bob Hawke, Bill Clinton and Malcolm Fraser are strange bedfellowers...and I do not mean that in the sense cmk will probably take it.
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Post by cmk on Feb 19, 2016 19:01:02 GMT 7
In America we hold the present population accountable for the sins of the fathers and as a result gave the Indians their land back in many cases. Seminole HardRock Casino All the Indians land back or just some, "carefully selected " lands ? Seems to me that with regards the native Americans, the US engaged in and still engages in a policy of setting up " Bantustans" In fact one could suggest the National Party in SA got their idea of Bantustans under apartheid from the US goverment Here is one of those Bantustans I could post a lot more As of 2011, there were 460 gambling operations run by 240 tribes. Attachment Deleted
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Post by cmk on Feb 19, 2016 19:03:27 GMT 7
Yes it is of little concern to anyone whether he was gay or not. What does matter is that he used the resources he had aquired by whatever means after his death to attemp to make a difference in the lives of people of ability who may not otherwise had the opportunity. Some may object to the selection.....Bob Hawke, Bill Clinton and Malcolm Fraser are strange bedfellowers...and I do not mean that in the sense cmk will probably take it. Looking at the amount of articles and space devoted to his being gay or not gay by the BBC, and many major books and histories I'd say it is of major concern to the public and academic worlds.
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Post by cmk on Feb 19, 2016 19:10:07 GMT 7
OK don't like that source? How about BBC - BBC unveils a Victorian hero - a money-mad, racist, closet gay. Slate www.slate.com/articles/arts/television/1998/01/rhodes_to_hell.html Rhodes was probably not a "practicing" homosexual. Historians disagree as to whether he was or wasn't. Chicago Trib; Rhodes also had a secret lust, one he probably hid from himself, according to Shaw. "The evidence is overwhelming that Rhodes was homosexual. articles.chicagotribune.com/1998-01-03/news/9801030043_1_south-africa-southern-africa-rhodesiaNow aren't you glad you asked? I didn't know that about British Universities. In America Harvard/Radcliff for women started in t he 1890's. I just assumed they were behind Oxford and Cambridge - British education and the whole outlook of the country being more progressive and so on..... And lets say he was ? The point your trying to make is ? Does it change anything he did ?.....no....just your typical, vile anti British rhetoric You will find no vile anti British rhetoric from my typing fingers. That many of our hero's both American and British have feet of clay is apparently a surprise to you. I would suggest you all can dish it out but have a hard time taking it. I don't call the lies posted about Native American Indian genocide vile anti American rhetoric - not true but I don't feel it's vile anti American rhetoric. Teddy Roosevelt and his ideas about manifest destiny I don't call vile anti American rhetoric nor do I call Churchill's comments about Indian or Palestine people vile anti British Rhetoric. The discussion of Cecil Rhodes sexuality has been going on for a hundred years in the media surely you have seen some of it and didn't call the BBC or Chicago Trib Vile anti British media? Maybe you better re read what I have written. I think you will not find any vile anti British Rhetoric. It's all there. Simply repost some vile anti British rhetoric and I'll apologize.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2016 19:18:30 GMT 7
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Post by cmk on Feb 19, 2016 19:32:23 GMT 7
Are your pants on fire? Put up or shut up. Post something. Bet you can't. And its what 5 to 1 against me. Surely all of you boys ought to be able to find one instance of vile anti British rhetoric? I'm just telling the truth and you boys aren't used to that.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2016 19:48:16 GMT 7
Are your pants on fire? Put up or shut up. Post something. Bet you can't. And its what 5 to 1 against me. Surely all of you boys ought to be able to find one instance of vile anti British rhetoric? I'm just telling the truth and you boys aren't used to that.
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Post by pathumseb on Feb 19, 2016 19:56:29 GMT 7
Are your pants on fire? Put up or shut up. Post something. Bet you can't. And its what 5 to 1 against me. Surely all of you boys ought to be able to find one instance of vile anti British rhetoric? I'm just telling the truth and you boys aren't used to that. Nah, we're just not racist, bit of a difference:rolleyes:
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