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Post by smokie36 on Jul 9, 2016 1:52:31 GMT 7
I was commuting to work on the 989 or some such double decker bus through the SARS epidemic in HK. Cling film wrapped ,rubber glove wearing, beauties . Betty Chung was my poster dragon lady in her forbidden planet chem suit. In your fantasy were you stroking a pussy on your lap?
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Post by geronimo on Jul 9, 2016 7:30:05 GMT 7
I have been away from the UK for decades now, so finding a worst time would be hard, but I guess it would be the petrol rationing in the early seventies, just after the decimilisation came in. I had just passed my driving test at the age of 17 and had a little mini. Six gallons filled her up, for the princely sum of two pounds sixty. However, fuel coupons were issued, and there's moi, keen to drive all over the country, exploring my new found mobility, having to resort to buying other people's vouchers, at an inflated price!
I enjoyed England, but saw the negativity and social issues, and decided to look elsewhere. But then again, getting sectioned for 28 days under the mental health Act, was probably the worst moment, if the truth be known.
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Post by Mosha on Jul 9, 2016 7:54:30 GMT 7
Petrol rationing reminded me of the tanker drivers strike. Until stations ran out. I kept the car topped up. I was working 12 hr day shifts. 3 days on and varying from 3 to 21 days off. I was on a part of the pattern where it was just 3 on 3 off. I only used the car for work. I'd walk the 2.5 miles into town on shopping trips and catch the bus home. I just stretched out the fuel. I was in reserve on the gauge, when I found a station with petrol.
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Post by onionluke on Jul 9, 2016 8:37:55 GMT 7
I was commuting to work on the 989 or some such double decker bus through the SARS epidemic in HK. Cling film wrapped ,rubber glove wearing, beauties . Betty Chung was my poster dragon lady in her forbidden planet chem suit. In your fantasy were you stroking a pussy on your lap? It was all surgical masks and Wellington boots, meaow meaow meaow.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2016 17:28:08 GMT 7
Petrol rationing reminded me of the tanker drivers strike. Until stations ran out. I kept the car topped up. I was working 12 hr day shifts. 3 days on and varying from 3 to 21 days off. I was on a part of the pattern where it was just 3 on 3 off. I only used the car for work. I'd walk the 2.5 miles into town on shopping trips and catch the bus home. I just stretched out the fuel. I was in reserve on the gauge, when I found a station with petrol. I remember being sent with my cousin to buy paraffin for the heater in his house, and watching blazing rows as people queued to get their two gallon ration. I think I was around ten or eleven at the time so that would have made it around 76/77? I remember the three day week, constant blackouts, sugar rationing, Green Goddesses on the streets and various other industrial abuse issues at the time. And it was industrial abuse - not action. I was standing next to my Dad one day when the man, Mr McEwan from across the road, stopped to talk to him. Mr McEwan worked in British Leyland, Bathgate - just a regular man trying his best, a young family of three and a bought house on "Spam Valley." British Leyland was crippled by industrial abuse. "I just saw you going to work an hour ago, Jimmy - why are you back?" asked my Dad. "Strike, strike again, someone left a bottle of Irn Bru on the crane gantry, and the union called a strike to protest against health and safety abuse." "Could someone not just have went up and got the bottle?" "It was nothing to do with the bottle, that was only an excuse to strike," said Mr McEwan, bursting into tears. "My weans, my weans, my house - how am I supposed to pay for them if I'm always on strike?" He said. I'll tell you, I think that was the first time in my life I saw a grown man cry - unforgettable for all the wrong reasons. We walked away, and my Dad - who was the chairman of the ASTMS union said - "I'll never understand it, all they're going to do is shut down their plants and end up with no jobs. All they have to do is work to rule, no need to strike. Look at that poor man in tears, Blether, all because some idiot called a strike over a bottle of Irn Bru." There's a genuine split between people's views on industrial action/abuse - and way too many people lend support to the miners strike. Those that lend the greatest support, and express a visceral hatred for anyone that has a conflicting opinion ( ie, me ) are those that weren't there. They make up some romantic "man of the people/salt of the earth," rhetoric and hold onto it for grim death. The problem is, those of us that were involved in the heavy industry nationalized companies know the truth - the level of abuse and literal sabotage perpetrated by the workforce(s) was beyond belief. And anyone that worked in the heavy industries and denies that is a LIAR. You want to have seen the fights where I worked, at the strip mill in the Ravenscraig, guys punching fork out of each other. One guy trying to his job, the other sabotaging - it was beyond belief. I even saw fights break out at union meetings ( eh, I might even have caused one ). The level of self-interest was staggering, unbelievable. The British working man forked themselves up, no one else to blame but themselves.
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Post by Mosha on Jul 9, 2016 17:35:22 GMT 7
Re the miners strike. Our ICI site had a power station, which burned coal. It was used to create steam, we got electric as a by product. The coal stack was massive. About 50 years supply. The miners picketed for a week, then someone showed them the coal stack.
To add miners in my local were split. The NUM in the tap room and the others in the snug. No fights, the just pretended the other lot were invisible.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2016 17:54:42 GMT 7
Re the miners strike. Our ICI site had a power station, which burned coal. It was used to create steam, we got electric as a by product. The coal stack was massive. About 50 years supply. The miners picketed for a week, then someone showed them the coal stack. To add miners in my local were split. The NUM in the tap room and the others in the snug. No fights, the just pretended the other lot were invisible. We steelworkers were ambivalent to the miners during the strike as they hadn't supported us in our 1980 strike under the terms of the Triple Alliance agreement between the miner, rail, and steelworker unions. That's a fact that a lot of people that the supported the miners strike can't handle or understand. The miners strike was a shambles from the get go - with Scargill marching ( some ) of his men up the hill, and marching them down again. Forkin' prick. And to this day, some miners are so deluded they can't accept it was their own fault - while those that saw through it are called scabs. Pathetic.
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Post by buhi on Jul 9, 2016 18:04:40 GMT 7
Petrol rationing reminded me of the tanker drivers strike. Until stations ran out. I kept the car topped up. I was working 12 hr day shifts. 3 days on and varying from 3 to 21 days off. I was on a part of the pattern where it was just 3 on 3 off. I only used the car for work. I'd walk the 2.5 miles into town on shopping trips and catch the bus home. I just stretched out the fuel. I was in reserve on the gauge, when I found a station with petrol. I remember being sent with my cousin to buy paraffin for the heater in his house, and watching blazing rows as people queued to get their two gallon ration. I think I was around ten or eleven at the time so that would have made it around 76/77? I remember the three day week, constant blackouts, sugar rationing, Green Goddesses on the streets and various other industrial abuse issues at the time. And it was industrial abuse - not action. I was standing next to my Dad one day when the man, Mr McEwan from across the road, stopped to talk to him. Mr McEwan worked in British Leyland, Bathgate - just a regular man trying his best, a young family of three and a bought house on "Spam Valley." British Leyland was crippled by industrial abuse. "I just saw you going to work an hour ago, Jimmy - why are you back?" asked my Dad. "Strike, strike again, someone left a bottle of Irn Bru on the crane gantry, and the union called a strike to protest against health and safety abuse." "Could someone not just have went up and got the bottle?" "It was nothing to do with the bottle, that was only an excuse to strike," said Mr McEwan, bursting into tears. "My weans, my weans, my house - how am I supposed to pay for them if I'm always on strike?" He said. I'll tell you, I think that was the first time in my life I saw a grown man cry - unforgettable for all the wrong reasons. We walked away, and my Dad - who was the chairman of the ASTMS union said - "I'll never understand it, all they're going to do is shut down their plants and end up with no jobs. All they have to do is work to rule, no need to strike. Look at that poor man in tears, Blether, all because some idiot called a strike over a bottle of Irn Bru." There's a genuine split between people's views on industrial action/abuse - and way too many people lend support to the miners strike. Those that lend the greatest support, and express a visceral hatred for anyone that has a conflicting opinion ( ie, me ) are those that weren't there. They make up some romantic "man of the people/salt of the earth," rhetoric and hold onto it for grim death. The problem is, those of us that were involved in the heavy industry nationalized companies know the truth - the level of abuse and literal sabotage perpetrated by the workforce(s) was beyond belief. And anyone that worked in the heavy industries and denies that is a LIAR. You want to have seen the fights where I worked, at the strip mill in the Ravenscraig, guys punching fork out of each other. One guy trying to his job, the other sabotaging - it was beyond belief. I even saw fights break out at union meetings ( eh, I might even have caused one ). The level of self-interest was staggering, unbelievable. The British working man forked themselves up, no one else to blame but themselves.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2016 18:21:44 GMT 7
Sam Walton, founder of Walmart, was walking through London one day when he saw a brass plate with the name on it:
John Lewis Partnership
A retailer in partnership with its employees? He was blown away. He couldn't wait to get back to the US to introduce the concept to his company. In his autobiography, he named it as the biggest single difference he made to his company - unleashing employee ownership launched his company into the stratosphere.
While he was doing that, the British working man, involved in the monolithic industries, was resorting to the blunt weapon of strike, strike, strike. They struck themselves to destruction, self-harming more than a frenzy at a masochists tea party.
The Japanese, for example, weren't better at making cars - the South Koreans weren't better at making ships, the Germans weren't better at making precision engineering tools - they were all better at one important thing, though.
Industrial relations.
We Brits had everything, except the ability to pull together for the common good.
Sad.
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Post by buhi on Jul 9, 2016 18:31:06 GMT 7
Ref Bleth's posts.
I tend to agree. I am older and did work in factories, albeit as holiday work. Then three years working as a technician in theatre. Let's get the theatre bit dealt with; we worked any hours, often never going home, for low pay, but we loved the work, the reason. Yes some stars were paid well in excess of us, but that was not an issue. We were all in a union. Our views were taken account of and it was fairly harmonious. Profit was not a motive.
The factory work I found truly mind numbing, was just doing repetitive tasks and my mind was elsewhere. My brother in law was a setter for capstan lathes, a skilful job. I got the part time job through him. I operated the lathe, once set up an boring repetitive task. A quota per hour was set. A method of performing the task given . I , being me, found a better way of operating the lathe. Now I could reach the quota in half the time. What was I to do? The others noticed and told me to slow down, take it easy and they copied my method. They knew that doubling the output would not increase their wages.
Something happened in the post war years, something reflected in brexit. A victorious nation sat back, the Macmillan never had it so good complacency. Germany and Japan were destroyed , but their national pride, work ethic was not. Agreed, US funding, but the will was there. I see it too in Thailand, the make money by any means, and I am referring to labour, the street vendor, cyclist selling food, whatever it takes. No dole to rely on. I am very left wing which is why it pains me to write the bitter truth. The Brits went crazy in the sixties and seventies, did not adapt to a new world, with better communication, relationships between workers and employers. A class divide reinforced by a segregated education, Secondary Modern, Grammar schools which aped the public schools. Latin, not metal work, history and literature, not maths and science. I know , I am the product, history, literature , but also political science.From a secondary mod kid who transitioned to grammar, a soccer kid who was supposed to love rugby.
Comments welcome.
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Post by buhi on Jul 9, 2016 18:32:41 GMT 7
We posted at the same time, just read your John Lewis thread. Agreed.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2016 18:38:23 GMT 7
Ref Bleth's posts. I tend to agree. I am older and did work in factories, albeit as holiday work. Then three years working as a technician in theatre. Let's get the theatre bit dealt with; we worked any hours, often never going home, for low pay, but we loved the work, the reason. Yes some stars were paid well in excess of us, but that was not an issue. We were all in a union. Our views were taken account of and it was fairly harmonious. Profit was not a motive. The factory work I found truly mind numbing, was just doing repetitive tasks and my mind was elsewhere. My brother in law was a setter for capstan lathes, a skilful job. I got the part time job through him. I operated the lathe, once set up an boring repetitive task. A quota per hour was set. A method of performing the task given . I , being me, found a better way of operating the lathe. Now I could reach the quota in half the time. What was I to do? The others noticed and told me to slow down, take it easy and they copied my method. They knew that doubling the output would not increase their wages. Something happened in the post war years, something reflected in brexit. A victorious nation sat back, the Macmillan never had it so good complacency. Germany and Japan were destroyed , but their national pride, work ethic was not. Agreed, US funding, but the will was there. I see it too in Thailand, the make money by any means, and I am referring to labour, the street vendor, cyclist selling food, whatever it takes. No dole to rely on. I am very left wing which is why it pains me to write the bitter truth. The Brits went crazy in the sixties and seventies, did not adapt to a new world, with better communication, relationships between workers and employers. A class divide reinforced by a segregated education, Secondary Modern, Grammar schools which aped the public schools. Latin, not metal work, history and literature, not maths and science. I know , I am the product, history, literature , but also political science.From a secondary mod kid who transitioned to grammar, a soccer kid who was supposed to love rugby. Comments welcome. The tragedy now is that we higher educate kids in an attempt to keep them off the dole longer. Universities and colleges are used as holding pools for young people that will never be employed in their specialist areas. What a state of affairs.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2016 18:48:51 GMT 7
Smokie watched me interrogate a young lady last night in my local - "Are you a student?" I asked -
"Yes, doing a degree in community development, art projects in the community blah, blah."
So we listened to her wittering on about LGBT performance groups, street art, teaching junkies how to paint, blah blah.
How the fork is that a degree course?
We're creating false degrees, creating false jobs, and every single one of them is at the expense of the public purse cos no commercial activity would be as stupid as to waste money on this crap.
These, at best, are college courses for people who wish to volunteer in the community. Not full time jobs -
Anyway, the young lady looked at me with a doleful expression and said "Glasgow City council has paid off 1,500 people involved in community work."
Thank fork, I thought to myself.
Maybe I'm just an old cynic.
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Post by buhi on Jul 9, 2016 18:50:11 GMT 7
^^^ Lost me there.
I am fairly up to date with best methods in education and I do not think the fault is there I believe it is cultural and class based. Narrow minded oldies feeding their agenda of a world that no longer exists
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Post by buhi on Jul 9, 2016 19:00:48 GMT 7
Still posting simultaneously.
Of education, it should be teaching the skills to learn and adapt to anything.
An example, my ex wife studied History of Art, spent months in Venice as part of her degree. An utter waste of time you might say.
She left university and worked as a student in radiography. Her ability to learn new skills, of having the experience of the rigor of study, were from her university years.
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