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Post by smokie36 on Jul 9, 2016 19:20:28 GMT 7
It's not the people doing art or drama or photography degrees that bothers me...it's those on vocational courses being paid grants that expire the day they hit a certain age and are no longer counted on youth unemployment figures.
Straight on the scrapheap for most of them..21 with no qualifications or marketable skills....just shocking.
I was unemployed myself at 17 for a short while... £15 a week and sheer boredom with no end in sight....there is no way I could spend a lifetime like that...I really don't know how people manage it.
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Post by Mosha on Jul 9, 2016 19:33:37 GMT 7
Smokie watched me interrogate a young lady last night in my local - "Are you a student?" I asked - "Yes, doing a degree in community development, art projects in the community blah, blah." So we listened to her wittering on about LGBT performance groups, street art, teaching junkies how to paint, blah blah. How the fork is that a degree course? We're creating false degrees, creating false jobs, and every single one of them is at the expense of the public purse cos no commercial activity would be as stupid as to waste money on this crap. These, at best, are college courses for people who wish to volunteer in the community. Not full time jobs - Anyway, the young lady looked at me with a doleful expression and said "Glasgow City council has paid off 1,500 people involved in community work." Thank fork, I thought to myself. Maybe I'm just an old cynic. There is summat wrong when a charity can pay 20 of it's staff over 100K when that work earns the country nothing in export. Professional politicians, no idea how people live day to day, but pull their strings. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2016 19:34:55 GMT 7
^^^ Lost me there. I am fairly up to date with best methods in education and I do not think the fault is there I believe it is cultural and class based. Narrow minded oldies feeding their agenda of a world that no longer exists Nah, Buhi - I'm all in favour of higher education, however way too many youths are being led up the garden path. They're being fired into false degrees to keep them off the dole queue as successive governments try to hide the fact that our true youth unemployment rate is 40% plus. We, as a society, are lying to our kids. .......................................................... I agree with the entrepreneurial spirit you identify with Thais. Microbusiness abounds, and microbusiness is the way forward for the British economy. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2016 19:45:07 GMT 7
Smokie watched me interrogate a young lady last night in my local - "Are you a student?" I asked - "Yes, doing a degree in community development, art projects in the community blah, blah." So we listened to her wittering on about LGBT performance groups, street art, teaching junkies how to paint, blah blah. How the fork is that a degree course? We're creating false degrees, creating false jobs, and every single one of them is at the expense of the public purse cos no commercial activity would be as stupid as to waste money on this crap. These, at best, are college courses for people who wish to volunteer in the community. Not full time jobs - Anyway, the young lady looked at me with a doleful expression and said "Glasgow City council has paid off 1,500 people involved in community work." Thank fork, I thought to myself. Maybe I'm just an old cynic. There is summat wrong when a charity can pay 20 of it's staff over 100K when that work earns the country nothing in export. Professional politicians, no idea how people live day to day, but pull their strings. There's three tribes in Britain - Tribe one - work in private commerce, sending money to the treasury Tribe two - doesn't give a fork about anything, just keep sending the social money Tribe three - sucks the nipple of the public purse till it bleeds It's staggering the amount of people, the amount of families even, who are in tribe three. There's way too many people in the employ of the government and local authorities. |
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Post by smokie36 on Jul 9, 2016 19:51:29 GMT 7
There is summat wrong when a charity can pay 20 of it's staff over 100K when that work earns the country nothing in export. Professional politicians, no idea how people live day to day, but pull their strings. There's three tribes in Britain - Tribe one - work in private commerce, sending money to the treasury Tribe two - doesn't give a fork about anything, just keep sending the social money Tribe three - sucks the nipple of the public purse till it bleeds It's staggering the amount of people, the amount of families even, who are in tribe three. There's way too many people in the employ of the government and local authorities. Tribe four: Fark the Treasury! Insert smiley emoticon of choice here. |
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Post by MrToad on Jul 9, 2016 20:40:44 GMT 7
I have been away from the UK for decades now, so finding a worst time would be hard, but I guess it would be the petrol rationing in the early seventies, just after the decimilisation came in. I had just passed my driving test at the age of 17 and had a little mini. Six gallons filled her up, for the princely sum of two pounds sixty. However, fuel coupons were issued, and there's moi, keen to drive all over the country, exploring my new found mobility, having to resort to buying other people's vouchers, at an inflated price! I enjoyed England, but saw the negativity and social issues, and decided to look elsewhere. But then again, getting sectioned for 28 days under the mental health Act, was probably the worst moment, if the truth be known. It wasnt me that sectioned you.  |
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Post by buhi on Jul 9, 2016 21:20:05 GMT 7
Have problems accessing this site now, always do in the later part of the day.
Great discussion, will try tomorrow.
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Post by buhi on Jul 9, 2016 21:23:29 GMT 7
Education, always education , learn to be a free thinker, read (what's that?) read for fun , for pleasure and to find out. Never has there been more information available, but shall I post a smiley!
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Post by Mosha on Jul 10, 2016 7:55:42 GMT 7
3 day week was the closest, as a 1st year apprentice, to becoming unemployed. The company set a deadline, and a week before that deadline. The country returned to normal working.
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Post by Soutpeel on Jul 10, 2016 9:36:31 GMT 7
3 day week was the closest, as a 1st year apprentice, to becoming unemployed. The company set a deadline, and a week before that deadline. The country returned to normal working. The longest i have ever been unemployed was a little under 3 months, arrived in the UK for the first time since i had left as a child and until i got my NI number etc sorted out etc..no one would touch me as regards a job in the UK...getting my NI number was quite an ordeal...started off "who the fck are you" and "were you been for the last 25 odd years"... |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2016 10:05:44 GMT 7
3 day week was the closest, as a 1st year apprentice, to becoming unemployed. The company set a deadline, and a week before that deadline. The country returned to normal working. The longest i have ever been unemployed was a little under 3 months, arrived in the UK for the first time since i had left as a child and until i got my NI number etc sorted out etc..no one would touch me as regards a job in the UK...getting my NI number was quite an ordeal...started off "who the fck are you" and "were you been for the last 25 odd years"... .............."who the fck are you".................. I get a lot of that !! |
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Post by rubl on Jul 10, 2016 11:52:35 GMT 7
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2016 18:50:00 GMT 7
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2016 19:03:32 GMT 7
It's not the people doing art or drama or photography degrees that bothers me...it's those on vocational courses being paid grants that expire the day they hit a certain age and are no longer counted on youth unemployment figures. Straight on the scrapheap for most of them..21 with no qualifications or marketable skills....just shocking. I was unemployed myself at 17 for a short while... £15 a week and sheer boredom with no end in sight....there is no way I could spend a lifetime like that...I really don't know how people manage it. I am on a disability support pension now, hate it, worked from the age of 17 to 58 with hardly a break and now bored stiff doing bloody phyisio and exercising all day. Would love to go back to the grind, miss getting up at 5.00am and going to work not knowing what would happen that day and what coal mine I would end up at, fixing someone's breakdown. I know people in Australia who made a career of being on the dole, waiting for someone to die and leave them a house because they were never going to be able to buy one. Don't know how they can live like that, lazy leeches. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2016 20:29:32 GMT 7
^^ Yes, staggering to see so many able-bodied people give up on life so easily.
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