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Post by Mosha on Jun 25, 2018 20:38:30 GMT 7
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Post by Mosha on Jun 27, 2018 6:21:40 GMT 7
If the cave was closed for the wet season, why wasn't there a substantial barrier across the entrance? Mrs says there's a sign, big deal, like people take notice. Lack of commonsense from the coach.
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Post by siampolee on Jun 27, 2018 7:03:51 GMT 7
Foolhardy venture, wandering around in a cave or pothole system. Such hobbies are serious hobbies. One needs the correct equipment and guides who know the system inside out.
Flash floods may well have trapped the party and possibly even worse,even so hopefully they are all well, however the time span is not encouraging. Lack of food, warmth, dry clothing, power shortage for lighting, and of course phone signals will not be accessible due to the ground cover either, no doubt perpetual darkness, exposure and being both wet and cold and the lack of food are going to inflict serious mental and physical damage on these lost souls.
Hopefully there is still time for a location and rescue of these lost souls, but that time slot is rapidly going sad to say.
The agony the families of those lost are enduring massive grief, but still no doubt they have hope, while there is hope there is life.
Let us hope therу is a positive outcome.
But had the barriers been in place along with the warning notices been read and obeyed along with a physical presence of human guards this tragedy may well have never occurred.
I do hope though that all those lost in this cave and underwater river system will live and learn from their mistakes.
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Post by Soutpeel on Jun 27, 2018 19:18:38 GMT 7
Foolhardy venture, wandering around in a cave or pothole system. Such hobbies are serious hobbies. One needs the correct equipment and guides who know the system inside out. Flash floods may well have trapped the party and possibly even worse,even so hopefully they are all well, however the time span is not encouraging. Lack of food, warmth, dry clothing, power shortage for lighting, and of course phone signals will not be accessible due to the ground cover either, no doubt perpetual darkness, exposure and being both wet and cold and the lack of food are going to inflict serious mental and physical damage on these lost souls. Hopefully there is still time for a location and rescue of these lost souls, but that time slot is rapidly going sad to say. The agony the families of those lost are enduring massive grief, but still no doubt they have hope, while there is hope there is life. Let us hope therу is a positive outcome. But had the barriers been in place along with the warning notices been read and obeyed along with a physical presence of human guards this tragedy may well have never occurred. I do hope though that all those lost in this cave and underwater river system will live and learn from their mistakes. If i read a FB post correctly, seems 3 of the worlds top cave divers are on their way to help Thai authrorites with the search |
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Post by siampolee on Jun 27, 2018 21:12:30 GMT 7
A great reaction from the experts, hopefully the authorities here will co-operate and and those trapped will be rescued.
However I am of the opinion that the time span is too long and hopes are indeed slim regarding the lives of those trapped and lost in that maze of underground caves.
I hope my fears are unfounded and my opinion is wrong, remeber though thatthe trauma effect from such an experience will be a serious issue for those who survive.Victims and families too.
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Post by Mosha on Jun 28, 2018 5:55:32 GMT 7
The dark is possibly the worst. In Derbyshire are Blue John mines, and there are tours into them. We were told to grab the handrail, then the lights wereturned off. True dark, and you can't see your hand touching your nose. that was for aminute. 4 or 5 days must be terrifying. A Brit who knows the cave well, after years of exploring, told the BBC there are places where they will be safe.
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Post by Soutpeel on Jun 28, 2018 6:17:11 GMT 7
The dark is possibly the worst. In Derbyshire are Blue John mines, and there are tours into them. We were told to grab the handrail, then the lights wereturned off. True dark, and you can't see your hand touching your nose. that was for aminute. 4 or 5 days must be terrifying. A Brit who knows the cave well, after years of exploring, told the BBC there are places where they will be safe. I worked deep level mining for a few years - gold, platinum etc and yes, all good till the lights go out and more frightening is when you hear the ventilation stopping as well Standing in the pitch black in a very errie silence, not a favourite experience of mine, along with silly fkers taking the p**s underground and putting a small quantity of explosives in a choked ore pass, lighting the fuse and not telling you and having to change ones shitty underpants when it goes bang....fkers |
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Post by siampolee on Jun 28, 2018 7:09:31 GMT 7
Note that according to images posted that the last sighting of this little group was on the 24th of June, handprints and later phones and backpacks etc which had been discarded.
Seems as if they were or are making for the safe haven of the Pattaya sand bar.
The question is did they get there?
If so how much longer can they will they survive and endure the darkness, rising water cold conditions, the trauma and the lack of food and possibly air with a decent oxygen content ?
Sadly the signs to date the conditions do not bode well for the future outcome of this little group and their families.
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Post by Soutpeel on Jun 28, 2018 8:54:40 GMT 7
Note that according to images posted that the last sighting of this little group was on the 24th of June, handprints and later phones and backpacks etc which had been discarded. Seems as if they were or are making for the safe haven of the Pattaya sand bar. The question is did they get there? If so how much longer can they will they survive and endure the darkness, rising water cold conditions, the trauma and the lack of food and possibly air with a decent oxygen content ? Sadly the signs to date the conditions do not bode well for the future outcome of this little group and their families. Food would be the last worry...one can go 2 weeks without food...except Smokie of course who cant last 2 minutes.. The rule of 2's i was alway taught, maybe not strictly technically correct...but easy to remember 2 minutes without oxygen 2 days without water 2 weeks without food |
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Post by siampolee on Jun 28, 2018 11:36:06 GMT 7
As said food in itself or lack of it is not a big problem, oxygen could or is an issue, water plainly isn't in the current situation, then there is the darkness and the silence which sharpens ones senses but tends then to create aural mirages and heightened fears. All those fear factors coming in and all their associated trauma. For those so young that is probably their greatest threat.
I once had occasion to go down into a coal mine in the UK which ran under the sea, not an experience I enjoyed although there was power and noise, I am no Troglodytes creature, Same as a submarine no way. I want, in fact need to be on top of land or sea, if all goes wrong you're still in with a chance of survival.
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Post by Mosha on Jun 28, 2018 12:57:31 GMT 7
I worked with a potholer. One day he fetched a newspaper clipping in to work. This guy was checking out a new route, and slipped down a tube. he descended feet face with his arms above his head. he got stuck. He couldn't grip the rope his mates dropped to him, and because his hands were above his head, the rope couldn't be tied under his arms. the rescue team couldn't help him. They stayed with him until he died, then sealed him in.
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Post by smokie36 on Jun 28, 2018 13:40:47 GMT 7
Note that according to images posted that the last sighting of this little group was on the 24th of June, handprints and later phones and backpacks etc which had been discarded. Seems as if they were or are making for the safe haven of the Pattaya sand bar. The question is did they get there? If so how much longer can they will they survive and endure the darkness, rising water cold conditions, the trauma and the lack of food and possibly air with a decent oxygen content ? Sadly the signs to date the conditions do not bode well for the future outcome of this little group and their families. Food would be the last worry...one can go 2 weeks without food...except Smokie of course who cant last 2 minutes.. The rule of 2's i was alway taught, maybe not strictly technically correct...but easy to remember 2 minutes without oxygen 2 days without water 2 weeks without food I got diorrhea in a Phuket hotel room one time and couldn't leave for six days. I was 59kg when I finally ventured out for beer.... |
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Post by smokie36 on Jun 28, 2018 13:41:32 GMT 7
Sorry for spelling I'm still suffering PTSD.
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Post by rubl on Jun 28, 2018 17:47:14 GMT 7
^^| I guess they found it cheaper to burn down the place and build a new hotel rather than try to clean the room ?  |
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