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Post by rubl on Nov 18, 2019 17:47:31 GMT 7
Although the gov.uk website gives location as "Holy See" the address shows: British Embassy Holy See Via XX Settembre 80/a 00187 Rome Italy www.gov.uk/world/organisations/british-embassy-holy-see/office/british-embassyBTW it seems some countries have combined their Italian/VC embassies into one for costs reasons. Not sure how that works diplomatically. Can one person be accredited as ambassador to more than one country? As to why the HS has so many Embassies, well there are still 1.5 billion practising Catholics worldwide it seems, spread over many countries. BTW did you know the UK has one of the largest global networks of diplomatic missions? Probably in preparation to brexit and the new global reach the Foreign and Commonwealth Office has announced in 2018 that new High Commissions will open in Antigua and Barbuda, Bahamas, Grenada, Lesotho, Saint Vincent and the Grenadines, Samoa, Swaziland, Tonga and Vanuatu. Regarding the costs of Embassies I don't think there are any countries where such 'unimportant' details are made available to the general public. The British Embassy relocated from VC to Rome (a separate property within the Embassy complex) in 2006 much to the chagrin of the Holy See apparently. They objected to having to go to Italy when they needed contact with the UK, relations with the Italian govt not always being harmonious. The list I saw yesterday clearly stated VC as the location. Yours is not a satisfactory explanation as to why they need embassies anywhere. About a third of the passport holders are the Swiss Guard. You are inferring that they are there to represent all RCs not just that state. Odd. Normal countries possibly do not publish the costs of embassies etc but the One True Church Outside of Which There is No Salvation could lead by example. You should keep in mind that Embassies are there to represent a country, facilitate business. Only somewhere on the bottom of a long list is "to provide help to Nationals with problems". In the case of the HS the HS embassies abroad make contacts with the RC churches worldwide easier. It would not make sense to separate Church and State for such representation as there's no seperation in the Vatican Hamlet. This is unlike the Church of England for instance. Britain knowing separation of Church and State (although the Queen is still titular head of the Church) so you've got the international Anglican Communion which operates separate from the Foreign Office and the U.K. Embassies. As for leading by example, I thought that was part of the Glorious Revolution of Brexit with Britain taking it's rightful position as First among Equals again. |
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Post by rubl on Nov 18, 2019 17:50:20 GMT 7
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Post by rgs2001uk on Nov 18, 2019 20:57:49 GMT 7
Not part of NATO but occasionally you get media articles that it facilitates intelligence gathering for the USA. Who knows. Many countries including the UK have embassies there. Anybody know why? I will have the veracity and provenance manager on my back for this, but I understand that if one tries to report a missing passport there one is promptly redirected to Rome. Not part of the EU, so why is there no hard border? Mind you they didnt have a hard border when they were issuing passports for fleeing nazi war criminals to eff of to argentina. The book the dollar and the vatican exposed them, www.amazon.com/Dollar-Vatican-Avro-Manhattan/dp/B0006EQULS |
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Post by rgs2001uk on Nov 18, 2019 21:16:17 GMT 7
The British Embassy relocated from VC to Rome (a separate property within the Embassy complex) in 2006 much to the chagrin of the Holy See apparently. They objected to having to go to Italy when they needed contact with the UK, relations with the Italian govt not always being harmonious. The list I saw yesterday clearly stated VC as the location. Yours is not a satisfactory explanation as to why they need embassies anywhere. About a third of the passport holders are the Swiss Guard. You are inferring that they are there to represent all RCs not just that state. Odd. Normal countries possibly do not publish the costs of embassies etc but the One True Church Outside of Which There is No Salvation could lead by example. You should keep in mind that Embassies are there to represent a country, facilitate business. Only somewhere on the bottom of a long list is "to provide help to Nationals with problems". In the case of the HS the HS embassies abroad make contacts with the RC churches worldwide easier. It would not make sense to separate Church and State for such representation as there's no seperation in the Vatican Hamlet. This is unlike the Church of England for instance. Britain knowing separation of Church and State (although the Queen is still titular head of the Church) so you've got the international Anglican Communion which operates separate from the Foreign Office and the U.K. Embassies. As for leading by example, I thought that was part of the Glorious Revolution of Brexit with Britain taking it's rightful position as First among Equals again. Utter effin waffle and you know it, gawd bless america for doing away with this papist nonsense. Is the church the state, or is the state the church? catholicism same same communism, same same wahhibism, they tell me nth korea is nice this time of the year, they tell me the wahhibist state is nice this time of year, best of luck getting your bible through customs, make sure to be wearing a crucifix, same same the sign of solomon (aka star of david) the wahhibis love them,  . |
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Post by rubl on Nov 19, 2019 12:04:26 GMT 7
You should keep in mind that Embassies are there to represent a country, facilitate business. Only somewhere on the bottom of a long list is "to provide help to Nationals with problems". In the case of the HS the HS embassies abroad make contacts with the RC churches worldwide easier. It would not make sense to separate Church and State for such representation as there's no seperation in the Vatican Hamlet. This is unlike the Church of England for instance. Britain knowing separation of Church and State (although the Queen is still titular head of the Church) so you've got the international Anglican Communion which operates separate from the Foreign Office and the U.K. Embassies. As for leading by example, I thought that was part of the Glorious Revolution of Brexit with Britain taking it's rightful position as First among Equals again. Utter effin waffle and you know it, gawd bless america for doing away with this papist nonsense. Is the church the state, or is the state the church? catholicism same same communism, same same wahhibism, they tell me nth korea is nice this time of the year, they tell me the wahhibist state is nice this time of year, best of luck getting your bible through customs, make sure to be wearing a crucifix, same same the sign of solomon (aka star of david) the wahhibis love them, . In your list you forgot that customs in America wouldn't stop you with a Qu'ran if only because you'd not be allowed to board a plane for the Blessed America. |
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Post by siampolee on Nov 19, 2019 15:46:41 GMT 7
Come on, let's be honest with ourselves. religion in all its various guises is probably no in fact it is the greatest scourge of the word and its peoples over the aeons we've been conned by the multi faceted god cults.
My god loves you all.
What, you don't love him.
Ah well, we'll just have to kill you in his name as your a non believing heathen.
What's that you're saying? But he created us all in his image.
No, sorry mate, you're a reject nothing more nothing less than a non believing godless heathen, death is the only way to deal with your sort.
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Post by smokie36 on Nov 20, 2019 0:51:40 GMT 7
rgs we know you grew up in Bootle....well until you were sent to borstal and shaped up.
Don't deny your roots laddie!
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Post by rott on Nov 20, 2019 12:55:34 GMT 7
Interesting one rgs, how many? I seem to remember no more than half a dozen. A magnanimous gesture, not intended for positive publicity I am sure, could come back to bite them on the bum when citizenship issues arise. Council house or are they buying privately? Those in the know tell its its the christain thing to do. Is the vatican in the EU? Does it have a hard or soft border, backstop issues? Can I as an EU citizen go and live there? Does in contribute to NATO? Although not in the EU the Holy See is a Euro nation, even having it's own Euro coin. Very trusting of the EU this, given the conduct of the then Papal States the last time Europe had a common currency - a silver coin. They produced a debased coin with less than the required silver content and went round swapping them with coins of other more honest nations. They were caught out and expelled. |
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Post by rubl on Nov 20, 2019 17:05:06 GMT 7
Those in the know tell its its the christain thing to do. Is the vatican in the EU? Does it have a hard or soft border, backstop issues? Can I as an EU citizen go and live there? Does in contribute to NATO? Although not in the EU the Holy See is a Euro nation, even having it's own Euro coin. Very trusting of the EU this, given the conduct of the then Papal States the last time Europe had a common currency - a silver coin. They produced a debased coin with less than the required silver content and went round swapping them with coins of other more honest nations. They were caught out and expelled. Not that I doubt you, I only would like to know more, read more about this debasement. A quick search doesn't give my anything. Obviously my fault. Could you give me some leads I could use to do some more investigation? BTW the value of a Euro coin has nothing to do with the value of the materials its made of, not even with how much it costs to press those coins. Oh, and when did Europe have a common currency? Not in Roman times as the West had already fragmented when the Papal States became 'independent' around 750 AD. Since then we didn't really have a common currency in Europe till 1999 with the introduction of the EURO. |
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Post by rubl on Nov 20, 2019 17:11:38 GMT 7
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Post by rgs2001uk on Nov 20, 2019 20:11:31 GMT 7
rgs we know you grew up in Bootle....well until you were sent to borstal and shaped up. Don't deny your roots laddie! I heard the Bootle Boot Boys Latter Day Baptists were going to come round your way and give you a good booting, event cancelled, Daniel Levy beat them to it, the pain the pain, it must be excruciating, squeaking bum time for Ole at Man U, getting sacked in the morning is he? |
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Post by rgs2001uk on Nov 20, 2019 20:14:31 GMT 7
Those in the know tell its its the christain thing to do. Is the vatican in the EU? Does it have a hard or soft border, backstop issues? Can I as an EU citizen go and live there? Does in contribute to NATO? Although not in the EU the Holy See is a Euro nation, even having it's own Euro coin. Very trusting of the EU this, given the conduct of the then Papal States the last time Europe had a common currency - a silver coin. They produced a debased coin with less than the required silver content and went round swapping them with coins of other more honest nations. They were caught out and expelled. Nothing new here, they have been producing a debased version of christianity for at least 2000 years, purgatory, confession, the cult of worshipping dead people, in a way I have to admire them, that they have managed to pull it off for so long. |
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Post by rott on Nov 20, 2019 23:06:17 GMT 7
Although not in the EU the Holy See is a Euro nation, even having it's own Euro coin. Very trusting of the EU this, given the conduct of the then Papal States the last time Europe had a common currency - a silver coin. They produced a debased coin with less than the required silver content and went round swapping them with coins of other more honest nations. They were caught out and expelled. Not that I doubt you, I only would like to know more, read more about this debasement. A quick search doesn't give my anything. Obviously my fault. Could you give me some leads I could use to do some more investigation? BTW the value of a Euro coin has nothing to do with the value of the materials its made of, not even with how much it costs to press those coins. Oh, and when did Europe have a common currency? Not in Roman times as the West had already fragmented when the Papal States became 'independent' around 750 AD. Since then we didn't really have a common currency in Europe till 1999 with the introduction of the EURO. Latin Monetary Union, 1850 something till 1927. I'm sure I have mentioned it on here previously and did not get shouted down. |
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Post by rott on Nov 20, 2019 23:08:51 GMT 7
BTW I did not mean that the Varican was likely to issue a debased coin.
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Post by siampolee on Nov 21, 2019 6:13:41 GMT 7
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