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Post by rgs2001uk on Nov 28, 2015 23:01:17 GMT 7
Head to 3:14.
Fot those without insurance, get signed up as a TEFLr type for 6 months, then get into the Thai system, no excuse for it.
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Post by siampolee on Nov 29, 2015 6:59:42 GMT 7
As stated in other posts Thai hospitals invariably inquire as to ones means and ability to have treatment costs met prior to admitting you to hospital.
In many cases those who end up in hospital here are not able to act independently due to their personal circumstance as caused by an illness or mishap of their own volition mentally or physically or some other persons actions.Hence I would say ''Victims"
Remember though that some of those victims may well have been victims of attacks assaults etc by the local population who are known to enjoy giving a foreigner a good kicking as events have proved many a time in the past and currently still prove too..
Should those victims be made to pay for their medical treatment caused by the heinous malicious actions of others
I am told that such in circumstance currently prevailing in the U.K those who are turning up in the U.K. and subsequently hospitals are known as Syrian refugee's etc.
Such a situation as described above concerning the U.K. does not exist here.
What would be interesting to know is the actual percentage of non payers there are and of course the assorted nationalities. Being as Thailand is promoting itself as a ''Hub of medical care there is bound to be a certain level of desperate no fund patients, thus a set of reliable statics would indeed be an interesting panorama of the truth of the mtter
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Post by AyG on Nov 29, 2015 8:50:02 GMT 7
2013 32 billion tourism revenue 23 million unpaid medical bills or less than 2%. By my calculation that's a lot less than 2% - I make it 0.07% |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2015 9:05:42 GMT 7
Plenty of 'professional victims' out there Sirpolee. I personally know a guy who was in Thailand for over a decade, desperate, skint, on cocktails of meds for real and imaginary conditions who threw himself under a truck and complained the insurance company only gave him US$500 for his 'pain'. The common law Thai wife and fam chased him off the property a few times wielding whisky bottles. Got himself deported after she notified the authorities for his umpteenth overstay, after a stint in immi detention then lo and behold returned to a TEFL uni job in the south, which had general health insurance with it. He saw this as his ticket to free medical including MRI's, diagnosis, psychiatrists, docs, meds etc, he took so much time off his job that they fired him, and he returned to his home country ( after his best friend flew over and bailed him out yet again) where they declared him 'stateless' whatever that means. Drained all his folks and friends of $$$ along the way he was in Thailand to the point nobody wanted anything to do with him. The lesson here is if you can't afford basic needs, medical insurance, a roof over your head, you shouldn't be in Thailand or anywhere else for that matter. At some point before it all goes pear shaped don't they think of taking a reality check? Is life so desperate for some that they end it off a Pattaya balcony? How could people end up like this is beyond me. Look at this story of another washed up  in Canton www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/china/8902466/British-man-found-begging-in-Chinese-city-of-Guangzhou.html This Canton bum was a cheat btw, Weibo reported he was making up to 1000 rmb a day 'begging'. Not bad. |
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Post by pathumseb on Nov 29, 2015 9:38:26 GMT 7
The lesson here is if you can't afford basic needs, medical insurance, a roof over your head, you shouldn't be in Thailand or anywhere else for that matter.t some point before it all goes pear shaped don't they think of taking a reality check? 100% agree with this. My school provides housing of a first come first served basis yet still their are folks who blow there paycheck in the first week then come knocking on my door for a loan. No sympathy. My housing estate has it's fair share of poverty and their are many that live on far far less then a better than average expat teachers paycheck. Kids these days,eh?! Never really seen the point in scrimping on healthcare myself but I tend to get overly paranoid about such things. Better safe than sorry,right? |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2015 9:44:24 GMT 7
As stated in other posts Thai hospitals invariably inquire as to ones means and ability to have treatment costs met prior to admitting you to hospital. In many cases those who end up in hospital here are not able to act independently due to their personal circumstance as caused by an illness or mishap of their own volition mentally or physically or some other persons actions.Hence I would say ''Victims" Remember though that some of those victims may well have been victims of attacks assaults etc by the local population who are known to enjoy giving a foreigner a good kicking as events have proved many a time in the past and currently still prove too.. Should those victims be made to pay for their medical treatment caused by the heinous malicious actions of others I am told that such in circumstance currently prevailing in the U.K those who are turning up in the U.K. and subsequently hospitals are known as Syrian refugee's etc. Such a situation as described above concerning the U.K. does not exist here. What would be interesting to know is the actual percentage of non payers there are and of course the assorted nationalities. Being as Thailand is promoting itself as a ''Hub of medical care there is bound to be a certain level of desperate no fund patients, thus a set of reliable statics would indeed be an interesting panorama of the truth of the mtter Clutching at straws, SP The Thais are complaining about non-payment - there's been links posted on this thread to prove that. That tells you that some people are getting through the net. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2015 9:49:03 GMT 7
It's about responsibility and being accountable for your actions. I was free with lending money, but some seem to have the idea that my pockets are bottomless. When you try to give someone a helping hand and they end up wanting to chew off your whole arm because you can easily 'afford' it then you got to stop and say no thanks, that's not a friendship, that's taking advantage of someone's good nature and big heart.
Then the same useless bum snipes that his med bill is no more than a pair of shoes for me and what's more important, no thanks again. Rinse, repeat ad nauseum. Medical is important, accident insurance or what are you doing in a foreign country? Not you Seb, you are sensible but I would give a wide bearth to users with whatever sop stories they fabricate. You are nobody's ATM.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2015 9:51:45 GMT 7
Depends on the circumstances.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2015 9:53:16 GMT 7
I find it astounding that people would defend this -
In later years, living in a situation where you are one illness or accident away from destitution is ridiculous.
Relying on being able to get to the airport and fly back to the NHS stupidity.
It's an act of self-delusion.
Rational people I know have looked at it and decided to return to their home countries - knowing the implications of being uninsured overseas.
They are to be commended.
Those that gamble until the inevitable are taking a risk way too far.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2015 9:59:20 GMT 7
Totally agree with that blether.
Especially people getting older and needing medical and have no back up. Places like Oz you have Medicare to fall back on and the gov takes care of their own, but in Thailand or anywhere else, why should the social safety net of that country be held responsible for some foreigner who has blown all his chances and ran out of credit? Don't people realise that at some point they are going to need health insurance?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2015 9:59:10 GMT 7
It's about responsibility and being accountable for your actions. I was free with lending money, but some seem to have the idea that my pockets are bottomless. When you try to give someone a helping hand and they end up wanting to chew off your whole arm because you can easily 'afford' it then you got to stop and say no thanks, that's not a friendship, that's taking advantage of someone's good nature and big heart. Then the same useless bum snipes that his med bill is no more than a pair of shoes for me and what's more important, no thanks again. Rinse, repeat ad nauseum. Medical is important, accident insurance or what are you doing in a foreign country? Not you Seb, you are sensible but I would give a wide bearth to users with whatever sop stories they fabricate. You are nobody's ATM. Exactly how I feel. I lost £5,327 two weeks ago helping someone out that ran from the debt. I can afford it, but what infuriates me is the sniveling, weaselish way he skipped the debt. All he had to say was that he couldn't pay me back just now and the debt would have put on the back burner. But no. And now he's raised a different anger in me - the anger of betraying me when I helped him in a time of dire need. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2015 10:03:14 GMT 7
Totally agree with that blether. Especially people getting older and needing medical and have no back up. Places like Oz you have Medicare to fall back on and the gov takes care of their own, but in Thailand or anywhere else, why should the social safety net of that country be held responsible for some foreigner who has blown all his chances and ran out of credit? It goes back to personal responsibility. I have stood in Thai training hospitals and watched the poor line up all day in the hope that they will be seen - and sometimes sent home. Poor Thais have no choice. And at root - its the poor Thais that pay the price, as the rich are flashing about in private hospitals. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2015 10:08:30 GMT 7
It's about responsibility and being accountable for your actions. I was free with lending money, but some seem to have the idea that my pockets are bottomless. When you try to give someone a helping hand and they end up wanting to chew off your whole arm because you can easily 'afford' it then you got to stop and say no thanks, that's not a friendship, that's taking advantage of someone's good nature and big heart. Then the same useless bum snipes that his med bill is no more than a pair of shoes for me and what's more important, no thanks again. Rinse, repeat ad nauseum. Medical is important, accident insurance or what are you doing in a foreign country? Not you Seb, you are sensible but I would give a wide bearth to users with whatever sop stories they fabricate. You are nobody's ATM. Exactly how I feel. I lost £5,327 two weeks ago helping someone out that ran from the debt. I can afford it, but what infuriates me is the sniveling, weaselish way he skipped the debt. All he had to say was that he couldn't pay me back just now and the debt would have put on the back burner. But no. And now he's raised a different anger in me - the anger of betraying me when I helped him in a time of dire need. I lost circa US$5000 and that was just on flights and med bills, overstays etc probably more, the point is the snarky, sniping, biting, sarcastic and disrespectful attitude and comments of this person. Am I p**sed off? Sure, not about the money which I also can easily afford, but about the sense of entitlement and constantly throwing up in my face about my lifestyle compared to his. I'm no pretentious snob but make your bed and lie in it. People will help up to a certain point before the reality sinks in that you can't help the helpless with their hand out all the time. Yep, professional victims. |
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Post by siampolee on Nov 29, 2015 10:26:56 GMT 7
Well as someone who lives here and has done for some 24 + years I like many others ex-pats are all well aware of the Thais who slip through the net as well as the dreaded foreigners too. yet there is no mention of those people and that particular problem.
Remember where the clarion call for the medical insurance issue came from. Phuket...
Phuket is renowned for its rapacious habits concerning tourist and tourism in general and truth be known not really representative of the majority of places in Thailand.
The whole issue is very one sided and emotive without the true facts actually being revealed or even known.
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Post by cc1 on Nov 29, 2015 22:26:23 GMT 7
Amazing I just live 4 month here and they already found out it is useful with me and my car on the street...
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